Perhaps you missed the first couple sentences in the original post:
"We got there at 4am, ready to stay until the show. There were about
> 20 people there, so we thought we were in good shape. The list holder gets
> our names down and it turns out I'm number 250-something! So where are the
> other 230 people ahead of me?! In bed, at breakfast, anywhere but waiting in
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This is the BS I'm talking about. I personally don't care; I don't need to be on the rail or in the circle or whatever your goal is. The point is, "calling" a place in line before there's a line isn't fair to the people who didn't know there was a list or a process. I don't understand how you can NOT understand this. These people aren't necessarily any less of a fan than you just because you gang up on everybody with a bunch of other fans determined to make things good for yourselves without any official policy.
First come, first served is the policy for virtually every other band on the planet, and that's how it should be, period. Yeah, there will be problems, but they won't be problems created by a special group of supposed uber-fans who've put themselves in charge of the rest of us. Like I said, it was probably started with the best of intentions, but it's clearly a failure of a system for everybody except the select few who know about it. Get it? The people who "put in their time" are only doing so for their own benefit, so don't give me that crap. They should have to deal with the venue policy and suck it up just like the rest of us plebes, and maybe, horror of horrors, not get front row sometimes.
To: u2tour@yahoogroups.com
From: discreet.music@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:25:22 +0000
Subject: [u2tour] Re: GA procedure, my experience in Pittsburgh
Dude, none of these assholes as you call them are sleeping in on the day of show. Roll-calls I went to were at 4.30am or 5am. The people running the line were there before that *on top of* having slept out for multiple nights or taking long shifts to organize things. No matter how you look at it, they've put their time in. They've certainly put in more time than any of the people complaining on this list. Which is why I don't understand all of the bitterness.
--- In u2tour@yahoogroups.com, cal roach <cal@...> wrote:
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> I could go on and on about this; it's hard to know where to start. I remember there being different bullshit systems on the ELEVATION tour, and personally, I didn't really care; I got there early, took my ace of spades or whatever with a number on it and either got into the heart or right outside on the ramp (which was just as cool if not better). I'm not obsessive about needing to be right on top of 'em. But back then I wasn't really aware of any major fan organizations on the internet; I just went to u2tours to look at setlists. The list-makers told us they were a fan-organized thing to self-police the line and I swallowed that whole. They seemed nice enough; I never felt bullied.
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> The VERTIGO system was definitely the best. No idea why they went away from that. Landed in the bomb shelter once and, well, that was unforgettable.
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> I'm a little confused nowadays about where these people organize their secret exclusive society. I imagine at least a handful of them are reading all these posts and snickering to themselves. How about coming out of the woodwork, assholes? Explain what gives you the right to sleep in and then butt in line after the real fans show up before dawn for the only show of the tour they can afford to go to and get shuttled back because they aren't hip to your made-up rules? Can I coax out some self-righteous justification about how devoted you are and how you've EARNED your place in line, even though you've surely read (if you're such a big fan) about how it disgusts the members of the band?
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> We've got a few years to ponder this issue and see if we can come up with a solution for the next tour. It's just a case of people taking power and that power corrupting a system that might even have been well-intentioned to begin with. The rest of us now have the right to revolt, right? Organize a massive group for the first date of the next tour to head to the venue at 4 a.m. and tell the list-maker to shove it up his or her ass. Or perhaps the band will come up with a better solution. Let's hope.
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> --Cal
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> p.s. sorry for the bitter tone; I'm still in major U2 withdrawal after Minneapolis, and thanks again SO MUCH to Khelia for hooking me up with a ticket!!
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> To: u2tour@yahoogroups.com
> From: theu2edge@...
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:51:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [u2tour] GA procedure, my experience in Pittsburgh
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> Exactly! The whole point of GA is first come, first serve. If you are there the day of show and 20th in line then you are 20th in line. Not 250th like you said waiting for these people to show up. These line nazi's really ruin it for people. Most venues will say they have nothing to do with the list and its not honored, so really you can just line up wherever. But of course these nazi's will indeed bully you until you move. I dare these jokers go to any other show and try to pull that list crap, say at a Metallica show or something. People would laugh them off the property. Enough with the list and numbers. Get there when you get there that's all.
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