quite true, however, both bands (Ramones and Clash) fit the category of punk, as I described it earlier, in my own musical parameters for a "label".
altho the Clash did deviate from the formula fairly often, which is how they got on the radio more often than the Ramones
From: Cfh <cfhiebert@sasktel.net>
To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the year 1982 second round pt. 7
There was a style to Punk and it still exists.
My question would be a group like the Clash. Huge group, very popular and I'll say I liked them at their peak. For me to listen to them, it still sounded closer to Reggae than what I was thinking of as the definitive Punk music. Even the Ramones, sounded liked a hopped up Beach Boys in many instances. They had lots of the fast and furious tunes, in the style you describe, but quite tame when I liken it to a group like the Sex Pistols.
btw, I'd take the Ramones over the SP's any day.
Clint
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT), howl dog <howldogg@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT), howl dog <howldogg@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sure, labelling was a marketing ploy, but, we all apply our own labels.to me, "punk" is labelled by serious million-times-a-minute downstroking guitar powerchords and everybody follows the snare, theres no swing whatsoever, its just a fury, usually accompanied by screamed lyricsthis label could apply to all kinds of things, Led Zeppelins Communication Breakdown for example, which was in turn probably ripped off from Eddie Cochrans "Nervous Breakdown" which MIGHT even fall into the punk category I described.Disco gets described by me, as a rhythm/drum style and there are two styles: the first is the obvious one, a big BOOM BOOM BOOM on EVERY count, this is prevalent today in techno/electronica, and to me, its still disco. Theres another beat often used in disco, harder to describe, its more of a slant with the hihat and a softly detuned snare.. you can hear it all over rock records in the later 70s as they tried to "sound more disco friendly", Fleetwood Mac Rumours, Heart Straight On For You, lots of the Abba stuff, its everywhere, but as soon as I hear that rhythm and that drum recording style, its DISCO.Neither are inherently bad to me, altho i really dislike the BOOM BOOM BOOM on every count, thats really monotonous and annoying
From: Cfh <cfhiebert@sasktel.net>
To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the year 1982 second round pt. 7
The problem was with the labels. This is Punk, this is Disco, 10%
lifestyle, 90% marketing ( in my jaded opinion ;)
Clint
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:54:34 -0000, Ben <dawnstar@zahav.net.il> wrote:
Most people don;t look too hard to find new music so when the
mainstream moves on, they simply stay rooted to what they know. We
music fans look around and find more underground stuff.
> Can't say I'm a fan of either disco or punk but they have their
> moments. Same for rap. I heard about the rock/disco wars but wasn't a
> part of it. I was just getting into music in 1978 when it was at its
> peak and saw no reason not to like anything I wanted. Gimme Bee Gees,
> Foreigner, Loretta Lynn, Bob Seger, Abba, it was all just music to me.
> Ben
>
> --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Cfh" <cfhiebert@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's my take on it. As we've mentioned, those formative years
> leave > some deep impressions. When the status quo starts to change
> it screws > with your comfort zone. > Â
> > I can go to any year and find good music, the mainstream is weaker
> in > some years than others for me but there is always something that
> I can > be pleasantly surprised with. > I think trends can be
> disruptive and lead to some bad vibes. Disco > was a dirty word when
> it all came out. Ya Saturday Night Fever was a > monster hit, but the
> backlash against the genre was substantial. Punk > was not
> universally accepted as the next step, which is exactly what > the
> Punks loved about it. > Looking back I can find merit in both,
> although I still have > misgivings about both ;)
> > Â
> > Clint
> > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:59:26 -0000, Ben <dawnstar@...> wrote:
> > Maybe. We pass the golden period and have it in for whatever
> replaced > it. There was good music out there in the 90's which is
> what my matchup > show is about. Not sure anyone here is still voting
> on that one though. > And at the time there was always something to
> like. For me it was > Suzanne Vega, REM, Georgia Satellites,
> Smithereens and a bunch of other > including some of the pure pop
> like Bangles and Belinda Carlisle. > > Ben
> > >
> > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Cfh" <cfhiebert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But if you talk to some person who was 16 in 1987, I'm sure
> that's > > > their high water mark for music and most influencial. >
> ÂÂ
> > > > Its odd, but it does seem like a person is quite often hardest
> on > > the > music that immediately follows their favourite period.
> After > > that its > just a matter of keeping an open mind and
> searching for > > the stuff that > works. > ÂÂ
> > > > Clint
> > > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:46:01 -0000, Ben <dawnstar@> wrote:
> > > > Or the artist was a scantily clad woman. Then you got the > >
> flamboyant > peacocks of both genders. Then MTV took over the market
> > > and songs > charted a lot lower unless MTV played their videos
> and > > the end was near. > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Cfh"
> <cfhiebert@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was a novelty and for a time I was interested in the
> video > > > > thing. > Looks were important, which has always been
> part of the > > > > equation, but > it started to become to
> important. Seemed like if > > the > > artist couldn't > quite cut it,
> they had to employ a bunch of > > > > scantily clad women to grab >
> the attention. > ÂÂÂ
> > > > > > My favourite part of the video revolution was when they dug
> > > into > > the > vaults and would play live bits from my old > >
> favourites. Seeing > > these > guys/girls actually moving and > >
> performing was undeniably fun. > > > ÂÂÂ
> > > > > > Clint
> > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:07:01 -0000, Ben <dawnstar@> wrote:
> > > > > > They were good in the very early days before they grew too
> > > > > powerful, > figure 1981-1983 or so. Lots of bands got airplay
> that > > > > never radio air > time. Granted, a lot of them because
> of their > > looks > > rather than any > talent but it was still nice
> to watch in > > limited > > doses. > > Ben
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, howl dog > >
> <howldogg@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MTV in the early 80s changed the game forever. > > > >
> for > > the > > worse, in my opinion. > > > > > > >
> ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: Cfh <cfhiebert@>
> > > > > > > > To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com > Sent:
> Sunday, > > July > > 15, > > 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the
> year > > 1982 > > > > second round pt. 7
> > > > > > > > > Interesting, I was considering saying the same thing
> > > > > regarding > > albums and > the 70's. Of course there were
> good albums > > > > in the 60's, > > but singles were > more of the
> norm. > > > > > > > > Personally I can find singles from any decade
> that I don't like > > > > > > or have > heard enough due to radio
> overplay that the experience > > has > > > > been killed for > me.
> The only difference these days is > > that I > > rarely > > listen to
> an actual > radio station. I might > > tune into > > something > >
> streaming from the CBC website, > but > > that is quite > > tailored
> to > > genre's. > > > > Clint
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:52 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the year
> 1982 > > > > second > > round pt. 7
> > > > > > > > > 70's was the decade for albums. They really kicked in
> the > > > > late > > 60's and by > the mid 80's it was back to
> singles and > > > > filler. > > Exceptions of course. You > can keep
> going for a long > > > > time on those > > awful 70's songs and those
> were the > big hits. > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" >
> > > > > > <majormet1966@> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The 70's do have most of the greatest albums ever
> made > > > > though. > > I think > > the late
> 70's is very solid for > > rock > > music. Some
> of the > > one hit wonder > > songs > > from the early > > 70's are
> good, but way too > > many wretchedly bad > > songs > > like "I > >
> like Dreaming" "Undercover > > Angel" and > > "You're Having My Baby"
> LOL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" >
> > <dawnstar@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm about the same age as Dave so these early 80's
> > > years > > were > > my > > > playbook for years. When I went back
> > > later on, I > > skipped > > over the 70's > > > and went right to
> the > > 60's. Too much > > dull > > singer/songwriter and disco in >
> > > the > > 70's. Still plenty > > of good > > stuff in there anyway.
> > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com, "Cfh"
> > > > > <cfhiebert@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yep, firmly believe that. I was 16 in 1977, those
> mid > > > > 70's > > were my > > > > playbook
> > > > > > > > > > > for years!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Clint
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dave
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:43 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the
> year > > 1982 > > > > second round > > > > pt. 7
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think a lot has to do with a given year, I was
> 16 > > when > > > > these songs > > > > came
> > > > > > > > > > > out, the height of teen angst and kind of a > >
> soundtrack > > for > > high > > > > school. > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com,
> "Cfh" > > > > > > <cfhiebert@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good on you Dave. I actually struggled with
> this > > list, > > but > > that's > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > > > > thing about different tastes and opinions. > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Clint
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dave
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:35 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Classic_Rock_Forever] Re: Song of the
> > > year > > 1982 > > second > > > > > round pt. > > > > > > > 7
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A lot to work with
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Dexy's Midnight Runners - Come on Eileen -
> great > > > > song > > with a lot > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > nostalgic feelings
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Bonnie Raitt - Keep this Heart in Mind - my
> > > favorite > > > > song by her > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > love that Green Light album
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Missing Persons - Destination Unknown - very
> > > unique > > > > group when > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > came
> > > > > > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Jam - Town Called Malice - some of their
> best > > stuff > > was > > later in > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > short career
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Judas Priest - You Got Another Thing Coming
> - > > their > > best song
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Linda Ronstadt - I Knew You When
> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. Bow Wow Wow - I Want Candy
> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Asia - Only time Will Tell
> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. REM - Gardening at Night
> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Genesis - Man on the Corner
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Classic_Rock_Forever@yahoogroups.com,
> "Ben" > > > > > > <dawnstar@> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please list your top ten favorites in order
> of > > > > > > preference. Show > > > > > > wraps in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Joan Jett and Blackhearts Crimson and Clover
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Peter Gabriel Shock the Monkey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Dexy's Midnight Runners Come On Eileen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 Go-Go's Vacation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 Cars Since You're Gone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Ozzy Osbourne Paranoid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Alan Parsons Project Psychobabble
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 Genesis Man on the Corner
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Juice Newton Love's Been a Little Bit Hard on Me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Scorpions Blackout
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 11 Cheap Trick Lookin' Out for Number One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 Bow Wow Wow I Want Candy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 13 Asia Only Time Will Tell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 14 Billy Squier Emotions in Motion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 ABBA Cassandra
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 16 Bob and Doug McKenzie Twelve Days of Christmas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 Missing Persons Destination Unknown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 18 Elvis Presley Elvis Medley
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 19 Bonnie Raitt Keep This Heart in Mind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Judas Priest You've Got Another Thing Coming
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Kate Bush Dreaming
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 22 Linda Ronstadt I Knew You When
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 23 ELO Rain is Falling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 Motley Crue Piece of Your Action
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 25 Jimmy Buffett It's Midnight and I'm Not Famous Yet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Doobie Brothers Here to Love You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 27 Jam A Town Called Malice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 Paul Davis 65 Love Affair
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 Frida I Know There's Something Going On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 Johnny Van Zant Band Last of the Wild Ones
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 31 Kansas Crossfire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 32 R.E.M. Gardening at Night
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 33 Bellamy Brothers Redneck Girl
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 34 Bryan Adams Lonely Nights
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 35 Kim Carnes Does it Make You Remember
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